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: "Jamileh Kadivar: I have not Climbed the Ladder of Fame and Power of Men in My Family
Zanan, Monthly Magazine, No. 63, Jun. 2000, Page 7-13
By : Nazanin Shah-Rokni
Word Count : 6737
Mrs. Jamileh Kadivar, 37, is a deputy from Tehran constituency in the 6th Islamic Consultative Assembly (Majlis) and a founding member of the Association of Iranian Women Journalists. She is also a member of the editorial board of Ettela'at International. Mrs. Kadivar describes how she handles her housewife works and takes care of her four children while dealing with her professional affairs. She is the wife of the Culture and Islamic Guidance Minister Ataollah Mohajerani and holds a Ph.D. in political sciences which she received from Tehran University in 1999. Kadivar married Mohajerani at the age of 16 and has four children, two sons and two daughters.
Jamileh Kadivar who was a candidate for the 5th term of the Majlis from Shiraz constituency failed to find her way to the parliament due to the adverse atmosphere that took shape against her when rumors spread that she was an apostate. However, Kadivar who stood in the third place among 48 candidates in the first stage of the elections, failed in the second phase.
She entered the scene again in the course of the elections for the Islamic municipal councils. But, after a few months she decided to examine her chance for entering into the parliament from Tehran constituency and she succeeded.
Many would attribute her success in the parliamentary elections to the fame of her husband as well as her brother but she almost refutes such a suggestion and believes that "any woman who enters the scene of politics does not necessarily climb the ladder of fame and power of men in her family."
Some are, however, concerned about her future, believing that a fate similar to that of Faezeh Hashemi, Tehran's second deputy in the 5th Majlis, might befall her. She rejects such an opinion too. She says, "a person who develops a sound understanding of people's demands will never lag behind developments of the society." Of course, in this connection judgment should be made in future.
Given the imminent work of the 6th Majlis, `Zanan' interviewed Jamileh Kadivar at the building of presidential advisors and moved along the corridor of time from past up to the present.
Q: The hue and cry raised in the aftermath of the Berlin Conference has not subsided yet. Have you been summoned to the Revolution court? If so, what were your charges?
A: The court accuses all the participants in the Berlin Conference, including me, of attempting against national security and practical disinformation against the system. Of course, I have rejected all the accusations and said in protest that the judge should produce evidence on the charge of attempting against national security of the country. Because, firstly mere participation in a conference is not a sin and if there is a ban on attending a conference or accepting the invitation of a certain party or foundation, various organizations within the system should explicitly announce their views. In the same manner that travel to Israel has been explicitly banned and mentioned in passports. Other cases should have been mentioned as well.
Secondly, all through my trip and in my remarks, either in the conference or elsewhere, I defended the stance of the system, the revolution and Islam. On what basis such defensive remarks that are documented are being interpreted as practical propaganda against the system? However, the gist of the subject is that the conference has been organized by a foundation that is affiliated to the Green Party and the party itself is affiliated to the Zionists. Therefore, you too are...
Our response was that the Heinrich Boell Foundation had invited us and Iranian and German experts were expected to participate in the conference. If a number of the audience have resorted to immoral acts it is not the fault of the participants. Furthermore, most of the speeches were specialized and each participant had been invited according to his/her specialization and expressed his/her own views. It is possible that some members of the group had expressed negative outlook and made criticisms. Therefore, everybody should be responsive to his/her remarks and stances. Of course, irrespective of the accusations that even listening to them was very hard for me, the honorable judge and all those somehow relevant to the case treated me in a respectful manner.
Q: It is not a bad idea to review the whole case from the very beginning. Did they send you an invitation?
A: Three months prior to the conference, a person on behalf of the Heinrich Boell Foundation together with an Iranian residing in Germany came to see me. They raised the issue of invitation in the same meeting and provided me with some information. They said the foundation with the collaboration of the World Culture House is planning to organize a conference. As far as I could gather, they intended to invite a group of people with different outlooks and tendencies. They proposed to me that since I was working with Ettela'at International and was acquainted with international developments, it would be better if I make an assessment of Iran-Germany relations in an article. I said I would think about their proposal and let them know about my decision later.
Q: Therefore, contrary to what was said afterwards, the aim of the hosts in organizing the Berlin Conference was clear for you.
A: Yes. They elaborated on the aim of the conference during the same meeting. The Green Party prior to coming to power had a critical outlook towards Iran. But, when it came to power through making coalition with other parties, a rift grew among its members over the issue. One side of the spectrum believed that they lack comprehensive knowledge about Iran. In fact, they held a positive outlook towards Iran and were trying to convince the other side of the spectrum that Iran-Germany relations are improving. In reality, they sought to provide a theoretical support for their outlook by organizing the conference.
Q: Let's go back to the first question. Some people representing the Heinrich Boell Foundation met you and you were expected to inform them of your decision. What was the result? Is it true that you coordinated your trip with the Foreign Ministry?
A: In connection with the proposed trips I usually consult with others. This time too I contacted the Foreign Ministry to inquire about their viewpoints. In response they told me to send them the text of the invitation. I did so. After a few days they told me: "As you have been invited as a journalist and are not representing a specific government organization, therefore, there is nothing wrong with your trip." Of course, a few days prior to the conference the Iranian embassy in Germany had raised the issue of security and had expressed concern over the activities of the opposition groups. I faxed a message to the official in charge of the foundation and told him in case he guarantees our security I would participate in the conference otherwise I would rather regret. The foundation immediately responded to my message and said all security measures have been adopted in connection with the conference.
However, after considering all aspects of the issue I decided to go. There is another point that I must mention here. In meetings that had been held abroad no red carpet had been spread for the participants, either formal and governmental or informal and non-governmental. That is to say, in certain cases some people have either insulted that person or chanted slogans against the Islamic Republic. This was not the first time that such an incident occurred. But, apparently it seems that there are certain people who attempt to misuse the Berlin Conference in a bid to realize their own objectives. Unfortunately, as you noticed, the IRIB (state radio and TV) broadcast the most indecent scenes of the conference while the gathering conducted specialized debates on such issues as the environment, economy and international relations. Why the IRIB, which is expected to disseminate information, does not accomplish its task completely?
Q: Mrs. Kadivar, you pointed to the film that was aired by the TV. Press reports said you immediately left the conference hall when the audience started to chant anti-Iran slogans. But, in the IRIB report you just arrived in the midst of all those hue and cry and took a seat in the front row. Should people believe what they read in newspapers or what they watched on the TV?
A: The truth is that I was neither present in the meeting on the first day nor in the morning of the second day. The scene on the dancing belonged to the morning session on the second day. I was getting prepared for the afternoon session when I was informed that the meeting had not been convened due to the disorderly atmosphere in the conference hall. However, I waited for a while and then entered the conference hall. This is the same scene that you watched on the TV. As soon as I took a seat, some of the audience started to chant against the Islamic Republic of Iran. I immediately stood up and with other friends decided to leave the hall as a sign of protest. But, the TV only showed me entering the hall and not the time when I left the conference room. This was simultaneously with the chanting of anti-Iran slogans and before the immoral act by that man. All these incidents took only a few minutes. The speakers left the hall subsequently. Of course other friends were absent in that session.
Q: You said you would lodge a complaint against the IRIB in case it fails to broadcast the complete film on the Berlin Conference. The IRIB has so far shown no reaction. Have you filed a complaint?
A: I have gained no result yet out of my complaints about violations in the 5th term of the Majlis. Of course I think the very nature of expressing protest against such a biased and selective reporting is very important. We defended the Islamic Republic and Revolution under such a tense atmosphere. The IRIB was duty bound to broadcast the full text of the speeches. In fact, to the same extent that it wasted its time for a selective broadcast of the Berlin Conference, it should have given us time to defend ourselves. However, it did not do so.
Q: Unfortunately, these days everything is overshadowed by the daily developments. Apparently our discussion is not an exclusion either. We better keep distance from developments of the day, if you agree. You have been active in various fields but journalism was your first area of activities, why?
A: I received my B.A. in political sciences in 1989. I was looking for a job. I noticed an announcement in one of the newspapers in which the weekly `Zan-e Rooz' was looking for a reporter. I went with a friend and did the preliminaries but for some reasons I could not attend the exams. My friend took the exam and passed it. Another friend who was working at `Kayhan' newspaper then introduced me to the foreign desk of the paper. This was the beginning of my journalistic career. Given my interest in the Middle East and North Africa, I started my work with Algeria. I worked with the daily for a year and then due to some difference I joined Ettela'at and to date I have maintained my connection with the daily.
Q: Why Ettela'at? Was it because of the friendship between Mr. Mohajerani and Mr. Doaei (head of the Ettela'at daily)?
A: At that time there were only a few number of active newspapers with Kayhan and Ettela'at being the most important. With the change in the management of Kayhan, the atmosphere changed to the extent that some staff members could no more tolerate working under those circumstances. On the other hand, due to being familiar with the personality of Mr. Doaei, I felt more comfortable with Ettela'at. Therefore, I joint the daily.
Q: Your worked with the foreign desk both at Kayhan and Ettela'at. Presently you are also a member of the editorial board of Ettela'at International. Are all these events accidental or because of the attraction of foreign trips?
A: I joined the foreign desk of Kayhan because of my specialization and interest in the issue of the Middle East region. But, since at that time other people claimed to be expert in issues pertaining to Palestine and Israel, I was appointed in charge of developments in North Africa. I did not join Ettela'at International directly from Kayhan. For some time I worked as the deputy editor at the foreign desk of the daily Ettela'at and was in charge of the Middle East news. Contrary to what you said, there was no possibility for foreign trips at that time. Therefore, it was due to my own abilities that I continued work at the foreign desk and not because of the attractions of foreign trips. Of course, I was among the first women journalists at Ettela'at who was dispatched to cover international events.
Q: Apparently you once made a trip to South Lebanon to inspect the Palestinian camps. Tell us about that visit, the reason for it and things you saw there.
A: It was in 1992 and I was in charge of news about Palestine. I heard that about 450 Palestinians had been exiled to South Lebanon. I told Mr. Doaei: "Because we claim our support for Palestine, it would be better if we dispatch a reporter to Palestine to cover the developments there." He said: "It is dangerous. Such a trip is even difficult for men let alone you." However, finally I received his consent and went to South Lebanon. It was an opportunity to talk with the exiled Palestinians on issues in their occupied lands. I tried to fully study the situation of homeless Palestinians. I portrayed three generations: the generation exiled in 1969 to 19988, the generation born in camps and the third generation that were children of the homeless Palestinians. The outcome of the two-week trip was later compiled in the book `Intifada, the epic of Palestinian resistance'.
Q: How many children did you have at that time?
Q: The children were small and Mr. Mohajerani was very busy. Who took care of the kids?
A: My family has always proven to be helpful. For those two weeks that I was away, my mother came from Shiraz and took care of the children.
Q: Whenever Mr. Mohajerani decides to take a stance about a particular issue he writes an article in the daily Ettela'at. Why? Is it because Ettela'at is rather ineffective and impartial?
A: I would not use the term "ineffective". In my opinion and given the turbulent atmosphere of the country in the past 21 years, Mr. Doaei has tried to avoid involvement in factional disputes and he has been successful in this respect. For this reason the daily Ettela'at has always been awarded the cup of etiquette at press festivals. Mr. Doaei has always tried to respect the readers and subjects of reporting. He has neither sacrificed accuracy for speed not the vice-versa.
Q: It seems that you have a strong attachment to Ettela'at. My question was that why Mr. Mohajerani gives his notes to Ettela'at?
A: At the time when Mr. Khatami was in charge of Kayhan Mr. Mohajerani used to write in that daily. But, because of the atmosphere which was prevailing over Kayhan after Mr. Khatami left the daily, he gave his articles to Ettela'at. Obviously, his acquaintance with Mr. Doaei should not be ignored. No one can deny attractions of Mr. Doaei's personality.
Q: Your next move in the realm of journalism was founding the Association of Women Journalists in Iran. It seems that since its formation the association has not shown any activity other than issuing a number of statements.
A: Of course, our activities have been more than releasing a number of announcements. But, due to certain problems our activities were not demonstrated in the way we expected. In fact, no adequate support was shown towards non-governmental organizations, including our association. The reason was that we tried to preserve our independence and remain not affiliated to any government organization or political group. The composition of the association is a proof to such a claim. We tried to have representatives from different spectrums. However, such an independence-seeking policy had its own problems such as meeting our preliminary needs, including an office. For the time being we have sufficed to a single room. But, we hope that by absorbing more members we could expand our activities.
Q: You usually announce your disapproval of the activities that are exclusively feminine. How come you accepted membership in a feminine association?
A: I have always criticized women who have restricted their activities to issues pertaining to women alone and thus remain ignorant of other affairs. In my opinion, if we care for general issues, women's affairs will be settled as well. Given the improvement of journalism in the past three years and the outstanding role that women journalists play in this sector, we reached the conclusion that it would be better for women journalists to be provided with an opportunity to exchange their experience. In fact, we were thinking of a mechanism to support women journalists somehow.
Q: The trade union of journalists was formed with the aim to support journalists and was expected to support journalists irrespective of gender or political tendencies.
A: What is wrong with it?. In my opinion there is no problem with the parallel activities of journalistic associations. These associations can strengthen each other. Moreover, various women associations do not deny each other but rather, further strengthen and support each other.
Q: You have compiled six books, including four with political-international themes. Is this because of your field of study?
A: Yes. I have tried to forge coordination between my fields of studies, activities and my favorites. The subject of my books is a combination of these three points. The book on the `development of Shia political dialog in Iran' was my Ph.D. thesis.
Q: Let's turn to the Majlis. Apparently your complaints about election violations in the 5th term of the Majlis are still awaiting investigation...
A: Yes, at branch 1410 of the special judicial complex and after a period of about 2 years and 3 months. Despite many evidences and reliable witnesses no one pays any attention to those complaints. I wonder how the Guardian Council and Mr. (Ahmad) Jannati (GC Spokesman) who are very sensitive in the case of election violations in the 6th Majlis paid no attention to the violations in the previous term of the Majlis. The Guardian Council dispatched supervisory teams to Shiraz and was informed of the extent of the violations. All the evidences, including forged seals, ballot boxes, etc. are available there. My complaints have been registered at the special judicial complex as well. Unfortunately, however, no one pays the slightest attention. Many officials believed that the violations committed in Shiraz in the 5th Majlis had not precedence before and after the revolution. I cannot understand the reason why no one probes into the case. My understanding is that they intend to leave the issue in abeyance and finally say there is no use to follow the case. I take this opportunity and hereby announce that I will follow up the case even if it takes for years. I am decisive that the violators who are unfortunately still serving in certain organizations be punished.
Q: What was your motive to become an MP four years ago? Was it for the purpose of gaining fame and wealth or serving the people?
A: Naturally, in response to your question all would say `of course for serving the people'. However, I hope I can prove in practice that my aim has been serving the people.
Q: Well, the grounds were prepared for serving the people in the City Council of Tehran. Why did you withdraw from the council and announced your candidacy for the 6th Majlis?
A: Many others and I thought that we could deal with minor issues at the council and with major issues in the Majlis. But, following the formation of the council, the Majlis approved a law according to which those who are active in the council cannot become a member of Majlis. Therefore, I had to choose one between the council and the Majlis. I reached the conclusion that given my specialization and expertise I would better serve in the Majlis. On the other hand, all our activities within the council were labeled as being political. Therefore, we thought that it would be better if non-political figures served at the council. Furthermore, we would spend hours on a specific subject but would reach no significant outcome such as the issue of the cultural-artistic organization of the Municipality which has not been settled to date, or the issue of the Tehran University dormitory for which we formed an investigation committee. After the committee held a few sessions, we were told that the issue was beyond our responsibility. However, I developed the feeling that some hidden hands were at work to underlined the activities of the council. Therefore, I decided to be present in a place where I deserved more in terms of my specialization and abilities.
Q: Some would say that with the participation in the council elections you tried to assess the degree of your social popularity in Tehran.
A: Not at all. I was not an unknown person to secure votes for myself by including my name in the list of a certain party. I have been active in the field of journalism for the past 10 years thus, people are familiar with my name, face and articles that I have written. I gained high number of votes in the 5th Majlis. Therefore, there was no need to measure my social popularity through council elections.
Q: What did you do in the council in the period of 4 to 5 months of your presence there?
A: We were active in three areas. We participated in the open sessions of the council as well as in meetings of the commissions. The commissions were divided according to their activities. I was a member of the culture commission. We had also geographical divisions under which five committees were formed: north, center, south, east and west. I was a member of the south committee. The committees would in fact deal with the study of projects that would be subsequently handed over to the open sessions. One of the projects that was approved when I was in the council was "council assistance" through implementation of which some development, welfare and traffic issues would be administered by the people themselves. In the committees we also tried to make inspection tours to the areas of our activities at least once a day to become aware of local problems.
Q: What districts were areas of your activity?
A: Districts 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20.
Q: District 20 was under the supervision of Mr. Hajjarian, wasn't it?
A: Yes. Mr. Hajjarian, Mr. Lotfi and me were member of the committee.
Q: It is said that you and Mr. Hajjarian were in a same class.
A: Yes, we both were students of Ph.D. course in political sciences at Tehran University. Of course, since I entered the course sooner than Mr. Hajjarian, therefore, our joint classes were not many. But, our contacts as presidential advisors gradually grew. He was presidential advisor for political affairs and I was presidential advisor for the press. We had frequently joint sessions. He recommended me to take part in the council elections. While in the council, I had more time to become further acquainted with him.
Q: Coming back to our own discussion, you said you resigned as a councilor in order to compete for the Majlis. Why didn't you announce your candidacy from Shiraz constituency? Is it because of the bitter memories of the past?
A: It makes no difference. Every deputy represents the whole country. I can and I would like to serve the people of Shiraz. But, for a totally personal reason I announced my candidacy for Tehran.
Q: Can you tell us about that personal issue? Was it your fourth child?
Q: Many believe that your success was due to the fame of your husband and your brother. Although you always reject this claim, do you still believe that their fame had not been effective in the number of votes you gained?
A: I do not thoroughly deny the issue but do not regard it as the main factor. Prior to the election, either in the debates or in meetings I would repeatedly announce that I am Jamileh Kadivar and have my own personality. I might share common points with Mr. Mohajerani and Mr. Kadivar but I want people give their votes because of my own specifications. I told people that I would attend the Majlis and not my brother or husband. I think people know well that politics is like medicine. In the same manner that if someone's brother is a doctor he himself is not qualified to treat people, it is true in the case of people whose brother or husband is a politician. Another point that I would like to mention here is that in the council election I stood third and at that time there was no issue such as Mr. Kadivar. I think the day after I was elected to the council my brother was imprisoned. Those who attribute my high number of votes to my brother, what would they say in the case of council election? In the course of my election campaign and in spite of recommendations of many people I never used the name of my brother or my husband. I think such an outlook is stemmed from the masculine approach within the society that tends to attribute success of a woman to one of the men in her family. Of course, women who have used the fame of men in their families have further extended such an outlook. However, I mean that any woman who enters the scene of politics does not necessarily take the ladder of fame and power of men in her family.
Q: Tehran's second deputy in the 5th Majlis fell down the list in the 6th Majlis. How would you see your future?
A: I think if me and others try to fully understand people's demands, move in the direction of supporting and realizing such demands and update ourselves according to the changes of the day, we will not experience the problems that deputies in the 5th Majlis were faced with.
Q: In the introduction of your book `Zan' (Woman) and in your recent remarks you have disapproved having activities in exclusive women's fields. It seems that with the passage of the hectic days of the 5th Majlis, you have forgotten that women in our society, willingly or unwillingly, shoulder the burden of being women.
A: No, I have not forgotten and helping the formation of the Association of Women Journalists of Iran lends further proof to this claim. Prior to the 5th Majlis I thought that women's issues should be solved within the framework of other issues. But, in the light of the experience I gained at that time, I gradually noticed that women's affairs should be dealt with in its special way.
Q: Now it is time to ask you what are the priorities of the Sixth Majlis in dealing with women's issues?
A: In my opinion women should be protected in the two areas of political rights and civil rights. In the first stage, women should be enabled to occupy at least 10 percent of the senior managerial posts at various organizations. I hope that this percentage will be increased at the termination of the 6th term of the Majlis. This demands support and approval of the Majlis. However, I think dealing with civil rights is much more important. Because, if women feel lack of security and calm within the family, normally they will not be able to be involved in political affairs. In my opinion priority should be given to the reform of some of the approval of the Civil Law, which date back to the 1932-33 and so far have remained unchanged. I hope such a task will be accomplished with the help of jurisprudents who have a positive outlook towards women's issues.
Q: Besides women's issues, what are other priorities of the 6th Majlis?
A: The importance of the press has been further surfaced during the past three years. For this reason, reform of the press law is one of the most important priorities of the Majlis. Of course, I mean reform of the amendment that the 5th Majlis approved in its last days. On the other hand, I believe steps should be taken for the rapid institutionalization of political and cultural development as the main motto of the President. Another point is the issue of reinforcing parties and reform of the law of parties. Strengthening the supervisory dimension of the Majlis is also important, as are economic issues.
Q: Which commission do you prefer to become a member of? Is it the Foreign Commission?
A: (Smiling). I prefer two commissions: Foreign, and Culture and Islamic Guidance. However, obviously I prefer the first one because there are many attractions in the Foreign Commission. There have always been people with different specialization in that commission. I hope one of the reform measures of the 6th Majlis would be paying attention to the membership of the deputies in commissions in terms of their specialization.
Q: It is said that you are going to announce your candidacy for membership in the Presiding Board of the Majlis. Besides its symbolic aspect, what effects would the membership of a woman in the presiding board have?
A: Naturally, this symbolic aspect has no importance for me. That is to say, if I feel that the deputies vote for me merely because I am a woman, I will not become a candidate. I do not become a candidate as a woman but because I feel it is my indisputable right to become a member in the presiding board. Of course my membership or that of others is not that much important. We also support any woman deputy whose efficiency is being approved by the majority. The presiding board plays a key role in prioritizing the subjects in question. Therefore, my presence in the board could be effective either as being a woman or a deputy who seeks realization of people's demands.
Q: Who do you think will have a greater chance to become Majlis speaker?
A: Let the 6th Majlis first be formed and consultations made in this connection. What I say now is a mere guess and similar to what the press suggests. However, generally speaking I believe that the speaker of Majlis should be both a popular personality and be an experienced executive manager. I do not think the chairmanship of a beginner in executive field will add more weight to the Majlis. Furthermore, the Majlis speaker should be in a parallel rank with head of the other branches of the government because he should participate in the sessions of various high councils for decision making.
Q: This place is the office of presidential advisors. Are you still a press advisor to Mr. Khatami?
A: I resigned my post for the municipal elections but maintained my contacts and presently I am a member of the president's consulting council for press and media affairs. Messrs. Pournejati and Khamenei resigned too as presidential advisors but still are members in the consulting groups.
Q: How come Mr. Khatami appointed you as one of his press advisors?
A: Perhaps because of my 10-year experience in the field of journalism on the one hand and his knowledge of my activities and outlooks on the other hand.
Q: What do Mr. Khatami's press advisors do?
A: They offer consultations to the president in various media-related fields. Holding sessions with journalists as well as with the executive and judicial officials dealing with the press are among other tasks of the advisors.
Q: Mrs. Kadivar, don't you think that having heavy responsibilities at the same time would make one superficial?
A: It depends on how much importance one gives to those responsibilities. I think if the parallel responsibilities support each other, no problem will emerge. I have tried to keep my contacts with experts in various fields. Although my responsibilities might appear to be different, however, they complete each other. While I am a press advisor I am a journalist as well and there is no contradiction between these two.
Q: Therefore, you are among those people whose 24 hours is 72 hours?
A: (Smiling). I have always this feeling that I am moving behind the time. At the close of each day I notice that I have many unaccomplished works although I do my best to make utmost use of my time. Therefore, the unit of time for me is the moment.
Q: Let's go to the last domain of your activity, i.e., your family.
A: In fact family is the first priority for me. My other activities are coordinated in parallel with my responsibilities at home.
Q: Where is your house?
A: Would you like to come?
Q: No, but many people would like to know.
A: It is somewhere in Seyed Khandan. I apologize for not giving more detains.
Q: Do you know driving or you have your own driver?
A: I have a driving license but do not drive. I usually use the transportation facilities of the organizations where I work.
Q: Do you have bodyguards?
A: No. I personally take care of myself.
Q: For those who look at the lives of ministers and deputies there is always this question that how they live? What are their family relations like? Do they go on travel with their children? And many other questions.
A: I personally do my housewife works, including cleaning and cooking. Obviously, we both go to parties and make travels but we try to prioritize going to parties due to the preoccupations of the father of the family. Generally speaking, there is no difference between our family and others.
Q: Of course there are some differences. For example, the report on the parties of others will never appear in the press while people will read about your parties. What about the party in Lavasanat?
A: Since the very formation of Mr. Khatami's administration we have been witness to a series of oriented moves aimed at creating crisis and undermining the efficiency of the government and thus deviating the attention of officials from major issues to secondary affairs.
The last episode of this scenario was the fuss about a party in Lavasanat. About 60 guests attended the party from various fields such as culture and arts and carpet industry. The caretaker of the Egyptian interest section, ambassadors of a number of Arab countries, including Syria, Lebanon, Oman and Tunisia, as well as Messrs. Karbaschi and Mohajerani were among the guests. The party was neither the first nor the last in its kind. But, there are always certain people who intend to create crisis and a psychological war by misusing any opportunity. Therefore, assuming that ambassadors of Germany, France and Britain also attended the party, they fabricated the fable of Lavasanat villa. I wonder why the talks between the theoreticians of the right wing with the present British ambassador to Iran Nick Brown and the promises they made on the threshold of the presidential elections caused no concern and did not remind one of the colonial pacts of the Qajar era? In brief, the Lavasanat party was the last weapon that the propaganda artillery of the rival faction deployed against Mr. Mohajerani.
Q: What about the film taken from the party?
A: There was no reporter and no photographer there. Apparently, at the end of the party a red Renault took pictures of the cars coming out of the villa.
Q: Do your children freely meet friends or they are allowed to meet certain people?
A: The kids are free. They have their own friends. I only control them.
Q: How far are the kids informed of the responsibilities of you and Mr. Mohajerani?
A: They are fully informed but normally they prefer to have a peaceful life rather than having a life full of risks.
Q: Don't those who know they are your kids make them confused with their various questions?
A: Normally kids like mine are always center of attention but I have given them the necessary cautions. Moreover, the school authorities try to prevent hot debates with students.
Q: Apparently the motto `less children, better life' does not apply to you. With all your responsibilities, isn't it hard for you to take care of the fourth child?
A: (Smiling). Fortunately, this kid is so sweet that overshadows all hardships.
Q: It is true that you attended the court sessions while holding this kid in your arms?
A: Yes. The preliminary investigating session took about 6 hours and the subsequent session in which the accusations were elucidated took 9 hours. I was with my five and a half months daughter all those 15 hours. Of course the honorable judge was kind enough to put us in a separate room.
Q: How much do you study and what books do you read normally?
A: It depends on my activities. In my leisure time I read novels.
Q: What book are you reading now?
A: Because I am lecturing at university I study the relevant reference books.
Q: What courses are you lecturing?
A: Political sociology this term.
Q: What about newspaper? Which newspaper do you read?
A: Almost all the newspapers and given the large number of newspapers, this takes all my time.
Q: That is why 16 newspapers have been suspended in order to let people to read books.
A: Not really. Despite the closure of all those newspapers still there are enough dailies, weeklies and monthlies that you would not have enough time to go through.
Q: Who is the guidance minister at home, you or Mr. Mohajerani?
A: We try to settle issues at home through reasonable dialog as we do in society.
Q: Let's go back to the past. How did you get to know Mr. Mohajerani?
A: He was our high-school teacher for the religious class. At the end of the academic year and when he was elected Shiraz deputy in the Majlis, he proposed to marry me.
Q: If he remained the same simple teacher, would you still marry him?
A: My positive response to his proposal in 1980 was not a response to his occupation and status but rather to his personality and intellect. I believed he could prove an effective cultural figure in an international context if he did not waste his life in politics.
Q: Will you recommend marriage at younger ages to your own daughter?
A: The marriage age depends on the people themselves. There is no general rule for it. With regard to my daughter, I would seek her views. For the time being she prefers to continue her studies.
Q: Are your cultural preferences similar to those of Mr. Mohajerani? Do you ever find any opportunity to go to movies, read books and listen to music?
A: There is not enough time to enjoy attractions of life. Prior to Mr. Mohajerani's ministerial occupation we tried to go to cinema at least once a month. However, with the extension of his responsibilities, our time was limited.
Q: How would you settle family disputes?
A: We have no serious difference. We might have a critical outlook towards some issues or discuss his political views. He usually accepts criticisms or just smiles.
Q: Therefore, whenever we see Mr. Mohajerani smiling it means that he is expressing his opposition to something.
A: She laughs."